(The F.O.G. Elite's) family values are showing and people are beginning to ask questions. What happened to Lewis Scooter Libby what is Delay doing and who is Jack Abramoff ???? Where did all these RNC " PerPs" busted for child molestation, money laundering, domestic violence and corruption come form?? RNC candidates for local office are going to ask will I be next on the FBI investigation list if I run as a Republican and receive campaign funds from the RNC ??? Do I really want to jump into this cesspool ???

The F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) wrote the specification for and ordered voting machines from a member of (The F.O.G. Elite) . What more can one expect in such a situation, they received the junk they ordered replete with no CRC PARITY or secure audit trails. In a word junk. No EMP hardening I wonder if these things had line surge suppressors. The P.C. you are using is many orders of magnitude better these voting machines. The cr@p that was sent to LA CA had a 10% ERROR RATE do you think you could use a PC that failed 10% of the instructions that it executed ???? And it doesn't help when there are not enough of the machines to accommodate the voters. AS the clown from dibold said BUSH was going to win Ohio no mater what. How do you think the systems OS was posted to the web!!!

I to have seen some strange posters on these boards. I don't need to assault and or insult people, just stating and citing verifiable facts is weapon enough to send most of the BUSH SPINNERS IN SEARCH OF A SIMPLE MINDED HALF BAKED INSULT ! L O L

It works like this when I speak of the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) and their leadership (The F.O.G. Elite) and their (Values) system, just click and read. If I allude to GOP corruption ^{GOP CORRUPTION and PERVERSION} click and read. If I say Delay just read.

If I say that BUSH neglected the levee system in New Orleans by cutting SELA's budget to fund his 2001 Tax Cut ⁽¹⁾ click and read ! when I say that BUSH made no effort to help the locals in New Orleans to maintain and correct problems in the levee system^{(2) (3)(4)(5)(6)(7) (8)} click and read !

When I say that the SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS in congress have made a mockery of the legislative process ^{(9)(10)(11)(12)<(13)(14)} click and read !!!!

In all these statements about the BUSH administration and the associated cites have you come across one cite of MOVEON.ORG ???

What you are seeing is the agenda of (The F.O.G. Elite) . These people have infested all levels of government management via PORK for the F.O.G. Elite . They wrote H.R. 1 ( prescription drug benefit ) and are in the process of destroying as many UNION jobs as they can in the areas affected by Katrina and Wilma. They are willing to import cheap labor to steal AMERICAN jobs ⁽¹⁾ and to assure that there will be a SMALLER middle and low income ⁽²⁾⁽³⁾ voter presence across the storm affected areas. Look out folks The F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) and their Values system are coming they are sweeping across the United States of America ^{GOP CORRUPTION and PERVERSION} .

What is this musical judges now ( at 9:37am PST ) I think the new judge is Pat Priest. In Delay's Texas, powerful Republican " PerPs" get to shop for the judge they want*&%$%#!!!

YES

This is the way to go. This is a beautiful way to divide up the " PerPs"

Look CE more FACTS from the engineers

• Shortcuts alleged in building levees

  By Alan Levin, USA TODAY Thu Nov 3, 9:29 AM ET

  http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-02-levee-shortcuts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

  Several of the levees that flooded New Orleans may have been built with shoddy materials or by contractors who took shortcuts to save money, an investigator told Congress Wednesday.

  About a dozen people, including engineers and contractors, made the allegations of poor workmanship in recent weeks to investigators probing the levee failures, said Raymond Seed, the head of a National Science Foundation team examining the levees.

  Seed would not identify the tipsters and he cautioned that the allegations may ultimately have nothing to do with the levee disaster that led to hundreds of deaths. But he said that investigators are taking the tips seriously and intend to turn them over to federal officials__.

  Seed was joined by the heads of three other groups investigating the levee failures. The investigators raised questions about poor federal and local oversight of the levees, steadily decreasing budgets for the Army Corps of Engineers and decades of safety compromises

The Values of the (The F.O.G. Elite) precede them where ever they go. The RNC has carved their own place in history. The BUSH administration has established it's self as one of the most corrupt^{(1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14)(15) (16)(17)(18)(19)(20)} and perverted administrations in the history of the United States of America .

It's time to squeeze the RNC " PerPs".

MYOPIA ?????

Earl has heard all the lies documented all the " answers given " and the associated SPIN and is ready to blow these perps into jail. Soon they will be

Doing The RNC " PerP WaLk "

As compared to the Republicans the site talks about most all liberals are a lot more like Christ !!!!!

Just a few facts about Abramoff

• A member of DeLay's close circle of associates known as the "kitchen cabinet," he marketed himself to clients on the basis of his connections to the GOP Leader. Also known as "Director of Travel for DeLay, Inc.," in recognition of his role in setting up junkets paid for by outside interests that may involve violations of House rules. In exchange, Abramoff was allowed to "freely trade on DeLay's name," despite DeLay's mock outrage to the contrary.
  http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/12/delay/index_np.html
  http://nationaljournal.com/cgi-bin/ifetch4...
  http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/03/24/delay.defense.ap/
  
  
• With Mike Scanlon, is accused of scamming several Indian Tribes for more than $80 million by at once lobbying for and against the closure of an Indian casino and paying Ralph Reed to orchestrate phony grassroots efforts.
  http://www.hillnews.com/business/112404_probe.aspx
  http://www.mollyivins.com/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=1800
  
  
• Communications between Abramoff and Scanlon reveal Abramoff referring to his clients in belittling terms such as "monkeys" and "troglodytes."
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60780-2004Sep29.html
  
  
• Pled the Fifth Amendment when questioned by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee.
  http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6135307/
  
  
• Quote: "DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details." - As quoted in Newsweek
  http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek/

Read more at http://www.dccc.org/houseofscandal/main.html

Here are some more reasons to indict delay, how Delay ran the House Conference Committee

• 
• From the Steakholder.org http://www.dccc.org/houseofscandal/main.html.
• Voted overwhelmingly to allow DeLay to continue serving as Leader even if he is indicted, after unanimously electing him to the post.
  http://www.usdlogic.com/usd/delay/dr.htm
  
  
• Gained at least five Members as a result of the Tom DeLay's Texas redistricting scheme.
  http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/house.main/
  
  
• Average GOP Member has voted with DeLay 93% of the time in 2004 and 2005.
  
  
• Average GOP Member received nearly $10,000 from DeLay's PAC. 65 GOP Members received $15,000 or more, and 41 GOP Members received $20,000 or more.
  
  
• Voted to pass the sham Medicare bill providing for an increase in drug industry profits of approximately $140 billion.
  http://www.dccc.org/fights/MedicareXL.htm#numbers
  
  
• Gutted the ethics rules, forced out the Chairman of the Ethics Committee, forced out two other GOP Members of the committee as well as the top staff, all to protect DeLay.
  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/01/05/MNGRJAL8V81.DTLs
  http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3518367,00.html
  http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.21951/pub_detail.asp
  http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/10915919.htm
  
  
• Voted to protect Enron and other California energy companies from having to repay energy crisis losses resulting from price gouging.
  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/26/MNGMM7COUT1.DTL

Read more at http://www.dccc.org/houseofscandal/main.html

Cut the b$ if you saw a house "FOR SALE" and saw that one wall had settled "4 feet into the ground one might conclude that there was a " STRUCTURAL PROBLEM " with this building. Looks like CE would buy such a house with no questions asked. Why not such a building surly would meet all of it's original design specs ??? right ???

There seams to be a problem with the written language please read

• 

  THE NATION

  System Failures Seen in Levees

  Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

  By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

  The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

Note 3 factors are represented as major categories as the " reason for failure ". BUSH put a effective stop to two of the three with his budget cuts. BUSH's destructive actions started with his 2001 Tax Cut. ⁽¹⁾ If BUSH is responsible for 75% of the failure cause he is at least 75% liable for deaths in New Orleans. Add to this his sitting around doing nothing while Brown did nothing about the relief and disaster response effort and BUSH liability grows above 75%.

The concept is " contributory negligence " BUSH's actions

• The 2001 Tax Cut ⁽¹⁾ and the BUSH continued budget cuts of SELA and refusal to listen to the people of New Orleans when they asked for help with the levee system, ^{(2) (3)(4)(5)(6)(7) (8)}
• BUSH's crony appointment of Brown to head FEMA
• BUSH staying out of the loop during and after Katrina struck

Given the atmosphere of corruption in the RNC ^{(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14)(15)(16)(17)(18)(19)(20)(21)(22) (23)(24)(25)(26)(27)} BUSH is to blame.

With the on going atmosphere of perversion and corruption ^{GOP CORRUPTION and PERVERSION} in the BUSH administration " FITZ " and the other federal investigators across the country will have plenty evidence to bashBUSH and the (The F.O.G. Elite) .

Figure it out BUSH started cutting funding for levee maintenance and build. If the levees are sinking they must be raised and shored up continuously if there is no money the work stops if the work stops the levees sink twist and lean as they may. When in this condition the flood walls cannot withstand the " design " strains applied when a tidal surge is applied i.e. Katrina. In the BUSH administration one can " BUY " an appointment to high office as a member of the (The F.O.G. Elite) . The people who have done this are listed here PORK for the F.O.G. Elite . To join this group one must raise big $ DOLLARS $ for BUSH, no experience required.

Here is a list of BUSH appointments made in 2004 to pay off (The F.O.G. Elite). PORK for the F.O.G. Elite These people earned these jobs by raising money for BUSH. This represents the infestation of the Federal Government with BUSH cronies at many levels .

The web site is well presented an very complete . here is a comparison that will complement it. (The F.O.G. Elite) AKA BUSH Rangers and Pioneers and PORK for the F.O.G. Elite . Note that this was generated in 2004.

This is not the first blow !

The members of the RNC have been displaying their GOP family values for a long time. The F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) and their leadership (The F.O.G. Elite) are becoming well known in police stations and U.S. Attorneys offices across the country. This is just the beginning of the implosion of the corrupt RNC leadership.

If one reads the post of the article

• >

  THE NATION

  System Failures Seen in Levees

  Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

  By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

  The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

Note 3 factors are represented as major categories as the " reason for failure ". BUSH put a effective stop to two of the three with his budget cuts. BUSH's destructive actions started with his 2001 Tax Cut. ⁽¹⁾ If BUSH is responsible for 75% of the failure cause he is at least 75% liable for deaths in New Orleans. Add to this his sitting around doing nothing while Brown did nothing about the relief and disaster response effort and BUSH liability grows above 75%.

I wonder who was greased with $ DOLLARS $ to produce that change in direction. Now they want to turn Colorado into an " open pit mine "

I just found a thread in another forum

• http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=70194 This one is even more inclusive.

Wow

March ALL THE SCUM TO JAIL the DNC Doesn't need this scum !!!!!

The graft and corruption within GOP has reached epidemic proportions here is one persons attempt to keep track of the growing mess

STATE BY STATE GOP SCANDAL SCORECARD

Looks like the FBI and law enforcement in general has been very busy busting the (The F.O.G. Elite) as they spread their (Values) through out the United States of America. It's time to

Do The RNC " PerP WaLk "

Sorry you are locked in the twisted logic of the " PerP " . Once busted the " PerP " must mount a defense and justify their violation of the LAW. The " PerP " will also enlist a " crew " to go forth and SPIN his actions and the actions of others to dissemble obfuscate and lie if necessary free the " PerP " .

These SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS have paid big $ DOLLARS $ to become members of (The F.O.G. Elite) and they deserve to dictate the name and ideology of all BUSH's Supreme Court nominees. The F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) will assure that the their (Values) and only their values are represented on the Supreme Court. After all they paid for BUSH and they own him.

You said

The CIA obviously knew the facts of the case. Nevertheless, with Wilson and the media, led by the Times, generating a feeding frenzy over the publication of his wife's name and affiliation, the agency pushed for a Justice Department investigation, on the false premise that revealing her identity was a crime.

WRONG

Section 421. Protection of identities of certain United States undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

• (a) Disclosure of information by persons having or having had access to classified information that identifies covert agent Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

  (b) Disclosure of information by persons who learn identity of covert agents as result of having access to classified information Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identify of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

  (c) Disclosure of information by persons in course of pattern of activities intended to identify and expose covert agents Whoever, in the course of a pattern of activities intended to Identify and expose covert agents and with reason to believe that such activities would impair or impede the foreign intelligence activities of the United States, discloses any information that identifies an individual as a covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such individual and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such individual's classified intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

  (d) Imposition of consecutive sentences A term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be consecutive to any other sentence of imprisonment.

The law __every thing else is double babble.

Is Novak a poster child for SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS every where ? The pursuit of the $ DOLLARS $ is paramount. Let nothing stand in your way God country nothing. (The F.O.G. Elite) and their (Values) system is a disgrace to the United States of America and all who have died to protect her.

You will get no apology here . this man is a dummy willing to compromise the national security of the United States of America to get a story. Novak may have caused the deaths of dozens of people, we may never know. The CIA may never know how many died as a result of this fool. Gillan my senior year HIGH SCHOOL English teacher made the point clear " under no circumstances should you publish the name of a covert operative of the United States of America " . Be it CIA FBI NSC DEA what ever. Novak is a treasonous traitor a true piece of low life. He is willing to see people die so he can get a pay raise a true piece of scum.

That's (2) this week

• Grand jury indicts prominent GOP contributor in Ohio http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-10-27-noe_x.htm

  TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) _ A coin dealer and major GOP donor at the center of a scandal in Ohio state government has been indicted in a federal investigation into contributions to President Bush's re-election campaign, his attorney said Thursday.

  Tom Noe, shown here in 2001, has been charged with skirting campaign fnance laws

BUSH was just on tv in a 3 min news conference " I have work to do "

• " We must remember the high standards that come with high office. This begins with careful adherence to the rules. I expect every member of this administration to stay well within the boundaries that define legal and ethical conduct."

  President George W. Bush [Public Papers of the Presidents, 1/29/01]

BUSH also said he was going to nominate a Supreme Court Justice. That's it BUSH wants Libby to disappear and he will not talk about him ( run and hide ). It's startinggggg It's time to

Do The RNC " PerP WaLk "

You are out of date you must learn to find links on web pages. You must learn to read the linked information then you can make an informed comment on that information. Your last post says that you have not read this post and it's link

• 

  THE NATION

  System Failures Seen in Levees

  Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

  By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

  The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

Read_. Then make a comment on the info contained therein

you need a rewrite your logic module is jacked

This " thing can't follow a link on a web page "

So what????

Have you ever heard of " contributory negligence " ?? What did BUSH do to assist New Orleans with the SELA program ?

Do The RNC " PerP WaLk "

That boy is bought and paid for by the (The F.O.G. Elite) check his campaign contributor profile.

• Here are a few names and charges lets match them up with some names you have

  • * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

    Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

    Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

    Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

    Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

    Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

    Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

    Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

    Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

    Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

    Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

    Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

    Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

    Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

    Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

    Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

    Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

    Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

    Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

    Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

    Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

    Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

    Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

    Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

    Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

    Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

    Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

    Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

    Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

    Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

  http://www.armchairsubversive.com

  Can you match up name for name with this list ????

  (The F.O.G. Elite) are the big donors

  OH sag up date your self

  • 

    THE NATION

    System Failures Seen in Levees

    Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

    By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

    The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

  This is the latest from the engineers on site in New Orleans

  By the way this is something "Detroitstar" found apparently BUSH did declare a state of emergency check the link click on the blue letters ( if you have ie5 default ) Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana Note the date ???? what were they doing in FEMA ??? I don't remember hearing about it ???

  You forgot one very important set of facts

  • BUSH started cutting the SELA funding to fund his 2001 Tax Cut ⁽¹⁾
  • Remember all the levees were built in and around a "bog". The levees needed continuous maintenance ( read $ DOLLARS $ ) to keep them from sinking into the ground. Remember the first levee project was started one year after New Orleans was founded.

  This is the story I posted The BUSH administration made the call that SELA was not as important as the 2001 tax cut so the funding was cut. This cut in funding and the resultant reduction in the levee system maintenance allowed the settling of the levees to continue unabated.

  • Pontchartrain Levees are sinking Army Corps ask for money but turned down.

    Why the Levee Broke

    By Will Bunch, Attytood. Posted September 1, 2005.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/24871/"

    "Washington knew exactly what needed to be done to protect the citizens of New Orleans from disasters like Katrina. Yet federal funding for Louisiana flood control projects was diverted to pay for the war in Iraq.

    • In 1995 Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

      Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

    In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:

    • The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.

      The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.

      "The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."

  On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

  That June, with the 2004 hurricane seasion starting, the Corps' Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

  • "The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

  The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

  The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane- and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. According to New Orleans CityBusiness this June 5:

  • The district has identified $35 million in projects to build and improve levees, floodwalls and pumping stations in St. Bernard, Orleans, Jefferson and St. Charles parishes. Those projects are included in a Corps line item called Lake Pontchartrain, where funding is scheduled to be cut from $5.7 million this year to $2.9 million in 2006. Naomi said it's enough to pay salaries but little else.

    "We'll do some design work. We'll design the contracts and get them ready to go if we get the money. But we don't have the money to put the work in the field, and that's the problem," Naomi said.

  Please show one cite to demonstrate BUSH's attempts to assist in the emergency preparedness for New Orleans. One cite to show any attempt to assist in the funding of the levee maintenance to deal with the settling of the project.

  are there any errors of fact ?

  If not this is a valid partial chronology of events of events before and after Katrina struck New Orleans.

  You like lefty should have your software updated to spot a " signature " are you a "Turning " machine ? lol with a Cyc knowledge base ?

  Given your response to post 25022.1548. I am left with one question Who wrote your software ? You can't trigger a link on a web page and read the text on the target web page. Are you a creation of the RNC or are you a graduate level computer science project ?

  I have learned that to days RNC is not the RNC of JFK's day. These people don't care about preserving and strengthening the " process , the institutions of our government with honor and dignity " all they want is to win more power and money it's about the $ DOLLARS $ and nothing more. The security of the United States of America is incidental to their greed and avarice. The RNC is loyal to one god and they place that god above all else his the $ DOLLAR $

  Newt said it best

  " Their debt numbers actually understate the problem because they fail to account for 4 additional powerful factors:

  1. The taxpayers' burden in paying interest on the debt;

  2. The cost of higher interest rates caused by federal government's borrowing;

  3. The imminent financial crisis in Medicare;

  4. The soon to be retiring Baby boomers and their effect on the Social Security Trust Fund.

  Fact: Every Citizen will have to pay a lot in taxes for interest on the debt. "

  HON. NEWT GINGRICH
  in the House of Representatives
  FRIDAY, APRIL 7, 1995

  
  

  In good conscious I can't be a willing party to the devolution of the United States of America

  YOU SAID

  How can any honorable decent person be a democrat today?

  EASY I can't support the Family (Values) of the (The F.O.G. Elite) ^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7 )(8)(9) (10)(11)(12)(13)(14)} I am not into the " perp walk " . The F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) are defining themselves as a most virulent and insidious lot with one purpose in mind the accretion of power in the congress for the purpose of dishing PORK^{(15)(16)(17)(18)<(19)(20)} to the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ). I will not be a party to this Rape and Pillaging of the United States of America.

  Sorry the BUSH administration has suspended Davis Bacon ⁽¹⁾ this was to facilitate the importation of cheap labor ⁽²⁾ ( throw away people to include illegals and near slave labor ) ⁽³⁾ to enhance profits for the (The F.O.G. Elite) and their corporations (HALIBURTON and others ). There is another side effect, to bust any and all unions in the area by locking them out of the contracts.

  YOU SAID

  You pompous, annoying, lying twit, leave me alone because you don't want to do anything but blame President Bush for everything that has gone wrong. If you ever want to discuss issues in earnest, let me know. Until then, get lost.

  I AM ONLY POSTING TO A THREAD CALLED What Really Happened In New Orleans . I cite my posts if you can find any thing different please present the info with cites. I want to review the info and evaluate and explore any differences in a logical and SPIN free manor. I am not an apologist nor am I a liar, click the little numbers and read the cites. You started the thread, I am merely posting to the thread. Some times the truth hurts !!!!!

  With respect to the culture of corruption ^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14) (15)(16)(17)(18)(19)} and perversion ^(20)(21) with in (The F.O.G. Elite) I view Rove as just another potential " perp " in a long lineage of same. The (Values) system on display is the antitheses to AMERICAS most cherished constitutional guarantees. This is only the beginning of taking back AMERICA from the corrupt RNC SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS in congress. ^{(22)(23)(24)(25)<(26)(27)}

  The cabal may explaun why it takes so long for BUSH to come up with a position on very important situations. The 9/11 event at the day care center was probably a result of BUSHES indecision and the look of a" deer in the head lights " , was a result of no one to tell him what to say.

  Rove is in up to his beanie spinner this time. The key for Rove is to tell the truth, the simple truth no SPIN. If Rove thinks he is smarter than his interrogator Rove is " DEAD ", " BUSTED "_. Rove is a good fit with The SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS that populate the inner circle of BUSH's administration.

  I live in California and we are preparing to vote on the Delay inspired redistricting plan for the California state legislature. California like New Orleans has been targeted by the Delay redistricting machine. These folks want to have three judges (3) draw the legislative districts for the entire state of California. The Gropesenagger wants to " KICK THE BUTTS OF OUR TEACHERS " this is how Gropesenagger plans to improve the education system in California ? BIG PHARMA has their proposition 78 to assure uniformity with their " part D " MEDICARE bill.

  The state of California is being set up to descend into the cesspool of RNC (Values) aspired to by (The F.O.G. Elite) . I am looking forward to voting down all of the Gropesenagger's prepositions as we all see and cheer the perp walks of the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) continue.

  My position is this

  • In 2001 the BUSH administration was faced with a decision to fund SELA or not to fund SELA. BUSH chose to feed (The F.O.G. Elite) and not help the poor in New Orleans, BUSH chose tax cuts for the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) and not levee maintenance and repair. This set in motion a stream of events that resulted in the deaths of over 800 AMERICANS.

  This is but one decision yet it must be viewed in light of the on going deluge of GOP corruption arrests, indictments and convictions. ^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7 )(8) (9)(10)(11)(12)} It is time to cleanse the United States of America of the (The F.O.G. Elite's) (Values) system.

  The topic is "What Really Happened In New Orleans" You to can take part if you present some facts along with a cite or two. No SPIN

  MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF INSURANCE FRAUD ???? MAY BE????

  As Libby , Rove and many other SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS await trial indictment or sentencing the true (Values) of the (The F.O.G. Elite) are coming to public view. I just found out that a Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana was issued around the 27^th of Aug. Was this a plant ? This document says that BUSH and FEMA were in control of the emergency response to Katrina not Nagin and Blanco. Given BUSH's in action during the disaster and his history of neglect in New Orleans SELA funding starting with his 2001 Tax Cut ^(1#). I to wonder when this was typed is this a cover up in progress? Is some one trying to obfuscate some thing ?

  • 

    "No one can say they didn't see it coming"

    By Sidney Blumenthal

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/

    2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/index_np.html

    In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

  • 

    THE NATION

    System Failures Seen in Levees

    Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

    By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

    The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

  If you read How do we Impeach Bush? and note the proposed use of RICO as a vehicle to put a stop to the Republican Hypocrisy And Perversion that is spreading across the United States of America . The RNC's (Values) are not welcome in the majority of AMERICAN house holds. (The F.O.G. Elite) are in the process of being busted one by one^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8) (9)(10)(11)(12)}. This is what is going on

  If BUSH Did declare a state of national emergency he is responsible for what happened in New Orleans. This changes every thing Nagin and Blanco were not responsible for the evacuation of residents or moving food and medical assistance into the area. BUSH and FEMA were in control of the disaster response effort. The Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana opens the door for all kinds of legal liability. Great post GREAT INFO !!!!

  Look CE at the news

  • 

    "No one can say they didn't see it coming"

    By Sidney Blumenthal

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/

    2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/index_np.html

    In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

  • 

    THE NATION

    System Failures Seen in Levees

    Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

    By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

    The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

  If you read How do we Impeach Bush? and note the proposed use of RICO as a vehicle to put a stop to the Republican Hypocrisy And Perversion that is spreading across the United States of America . The RNC's (Values) are not welcome in the majority of AMERICAN house holds. (The F.O.G. Elite) are in the process of being busted one by one^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7 )(8) (9)(10)(11)(12)}. This is what is going on

  I wonder if negligent homicide (causing the needles deaths of over 800 AMERICANS) constitutes a " high crime or misdemeanor " .

  The evidence is mounting for negligent homicide charges against the BUSH administration

  • 

    "No one can say they didn't see it coming"

    By Sidney Blumenthal

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/index_np.html

    In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

  Looks like BUSH blundered and that's negligent homicide.

  RICO is a good method of trapping all the pedophiles and criminals^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14) (15)(16)(17)(18)(19)} in the RNC. The line is forming at the "booking desk" in Texas , Washington, Ohio , Boston and coming to a police station near you the latest member of the (The F.O.G. Elite) busted for raping and or pillaging in the United States of America . A RICO complaint might just loosen the grip of the RNC on the Congress^{(19)(20)(21)(22)<(23)(24)}. The Katrina in New Orleans levee failure investigation is coming up with some interesting facts, like the levees were not topped in all of the wall failures. The most devastating were caused by soil failure below the flood walls.

  • 

    THE NATION

    System Failures Seen in Levees

    Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

    By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml

    The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators

  A RICO investigation might open up some White House memoranda that may shed some light on BUSH's reasons for the SELA funding cuts just after the 2001 Tax Cut. ⁽²⁵⁾ Question: were the SELA budget cuts part of a Delay plan to create more safe house seats for Republicans? Or was this an example of New Orleans being frozen out of the RNC PORK machine. This mystery is important because in New Orleans there is a nursing home administrator who is being charged with negligent homicide for not evacuating his nursing home residents. There may be a case that the criminal negligence started in the oval office in 2001.

  a RICO investigation may be the only way to expose RNC " Family (Values) " as they are made into government policy and budgetary decisions.

The solution is simple vote the Republicans out of the US House of Representatives and the US SENATE. With the RNC in the minority in both the US House of Representatives and the US SENATE there will be a chance for articles of Impeachment to clear the US House of Representatives to start a trial in the US SENATE. If not the reign of the RNC's corrupt congress and party apparatus ^{(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14) (15)(16)(17)(18)(19)} will prevail.

Guess what look what the Engineers are finding in New Orleans.

THE NATION

System Failures Seen in Levees

Investigators looking into the breaches in New Orleans find problems in design, construction and maintenance of the flood-control barriers.

By Ralph Vartabedian and Stephen Braun, Times Staff Writers

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/

nation/la-na-levees22oct22,0,7024222.story?track=tothtml"

The massive failures of levees in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, which flooded the city and caused hundreds of deaths, resulted from flaws at almost every level in the conception, design, construction and maintenance of the region's flood-control system, according to the preliminary findings of investigators.

Look CE may be BUSH should have budgeted some more money for the SELA program in N.O.

BUSH'S failure to declare a state of National Emergency is what caused the deaths in New Orleans. BUSH'S 2001 Tax Cut ⁽¹⁾ and 4 years of BUSH neglect via funding cuts for the SELA project ^{(2)(3)(4)(5)(6) (7)} is what set the levee system up to fail. This disaster was most likely a little Delay plan to create more safe RNC house seats^{(8)(9)(10)(11)(12)(13)(14)(15)(16)} .

The big problem is some paid with their lives for this BUSH blunder

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You Said

Is it too hard for you to understand that I don't want to be bothered by you unless and until you stop trying to blame the President for everything that went wrong along the Gulf Coast. If you don't know enough about the situation to realize that all levels of government, Federal, State and local, failed our citizens, I am not interested in anything you have to say.

You started a thread called "What reallly happened in New Orleans". I am addressing the issue. I have provided cites in my posts , where are yours ? I am waiting to read one so that I can evaluate it in context of others that I have gathered. POST CITABLE FACTS NO SPIN .

The events that played out in New Orleans the week Katrina hit were the finnaly of a long PORK play that started with the 2001 Tax Cut ⁽¹⁾ . My contention is that an 80% complete project that has sunk " up to 4 feet in some places is no protection against any kind of storm surge. ⁽²⁾ . Please present facts not talking points and SPIN. Levee maintenance requires $ DOLLARS $ and in 2001 BUSH started cutting the $ DOLLARS $. The results should be obvious FAILURE .

When you started talking about BUSH's wet land policy change I felt I knew some thing about the situation but I could not quite put it together. I chased down the chronology of the event and the strange events that followed. This is what I found.

In 2001 the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Solid Waste v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers , Solid Waste won. In the ruling a very small " tweak" to the CWA was made. This modification was

• The Supreme Court's 2001 decision in the case of Solid Waste Agency of Northern Cook County v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (commonly referred to as to "SWANCC") overturned the Corps' assertion of federal jurisdiction over certain isolated wetlands based on the presence of migratory birds. EPA and the Corps responded by issuing revised guidance to their field offices. At the same time, the Agencies reaffirmed federal jurisdiction over the majority of wetlands not impacted by the decision.
• from EPA and Army Corps Issue Wetlands Decision

This is very mundane stuff but this is not

• There were three EPA enforcement cases working their way through the courts in 2000 and the three cases were won by the EPA. As soon as this ruling was handed down the defendants in each case went back to court to have their rulings vacated.

  First to use the new rules change of the CWA

  U.S. v. Interstate General CWA consent decree UPHELD

  U.S. v. Robert Krilich CWA consent decree UPHELD

  U.S. v. Harken Exploration Company consent decree STRUCK DOWN

  http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC/SandBar/1.2swancc.htm

  In contrast, it is important to note that the Fifth Circuit, in April 2001, broadly interpreted SWANCC. In Rice v. Harken Exploration Company, the court held "that a body of water is subject to regulation under the CWA [only] if the body of water is actually navigable or is adjacent to an open body of navigable water." (250 F.3d 264, 269 (5th Cir. 2001)). For an analysis of this decision, see Pake, Fifth Circuit Defines Scope of Oil Pollution Act, 22:2 Water Log 1 (2001), available online at http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC . Circuit court decisions interpreting SWANCC will be covered in future issues of The SandBar.

What is this some body buy a judge ???

Note the name of the defendant Harken Exploration Company

more to come

This is the way it works , . Once a state of national emergency is declared the PRESIDENT gives orders and the JCS (Army Navy Air Force Marines or National Guard units ) , FEMA, can be deployed as needed to do what ever is needed. Is this too difficult to grasp ????

If you understand one thing about this country know this THE COMMANDER AND CHIEF IS IN CHARGE. Please read and follow the lnk to learn how the system works

• Any manager worth his parking spot knows when the foremen are babbling and confused tell them to shut up and sit down . Then take charge of the situation. When Katrina was in the gulf and strengthened to cat 4 a state of national emergency should have been declared by BUSH. Once a state of national emergency was in effect activating all executed " EOs " " EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 " and then " EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 " . These two orders would have assured a complete evacuation. Once the state of emergency has been declared BUSH would have been in charge no questions no doubts ( only BUSH's ) . The Commander and Chief should act like the Commander and Chief.

  To see more executive orders go to http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/index.html