03-2006 AARP Posts
&uot&This is what George Walker Bush's " OWNERSHIP" society may get you. |
| Me thinks you have missed the last 5 years of the George Walker Bush Administration do you remember the 2001 Tax Cut (1) ? The one that will raise the taxes (+2% / quintile ) for ALL tax payers and the poorest of the poor . see fig.
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
Which will cost every AMERICAN about
From the Children's Defense Fund
Which is creating a "VERTICAL NATIONAL DEBIT CURVE"as I write this
As the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance continues to force more people into poverty each year
Census Bureau Poverty Data 1959 to 2004
Now by age group
The federal employees are not making out as well as you think . Just stop and take a peak at the BLS CPI.
BLS CPI
Life is getting a lot more expensive the federal employees are the proverbial "flatulence in a hurricane" compared to the RNC / Cato/Heritage rape ad pillaging of the United States of America. The The F.O.G. Elite are bleeding this country dry like vampire bats feeding on a cow
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The RNC / Cato/Heritage approved plans are nothing more than attempts to destroy the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION and I further agree that any plan that " carves out any money " from the SS system a joke. What we need is an addition to the current SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION system for all people from the top to the bottom of the social economic scale. A plan that can include all AMERICANS and allow all AMERICANS to improve their lot by expanding the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION safety net. |
| The RNC / Cato/Heritage approved plans are nothing more than attempts to destroy the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION and I further agree that any plan that " carves out any money " from the SS system a joke. What we need is an addition to the current SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION system for all people from the top to the bottom of the social economic scale. A plan that can include all AMERICANS and allow all AMERICANS to improve their lot by expanding the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION safety net. |
| What we are seeing is the abdication of regulatory authority and the neglect of the " public good ". |
| IBM ain't what it used to be ! One must give the fast buck artists a break ( at the knees ) ….. Does any body remember the VCR Bell & Howell had the patents for the device ( basic technology ) and for 7 MILLION they sold them ( STUPID ) . |
| The problem of bog erosion is a man made problem and of all people some of the most worried about erosion are the " BIG OIL Co's " When pipe lines that were 6 feet under ground are now 3 feet above ground the alarm bells start to go off. Yes now " BIG OIL " is the new tree hugger. Until the George Walker Bush Administration started trying to sell off the wet lands ( under the table via small tweaks in the law and regulations to increase the development of the New Orleans wet lands. Pipe lines make lousy bridges and " BIG OIL " is working to restore the wet lands. I guarantee that those pipes will be covered up and new trees will be growing around them …. It's the $ DOLLARS $ talking. |
| Don’t worry new Orleans is built on a river delta by definition every thing is going to SINK there will be plenty of work in them there levees. |
| This is part of the BUSH Administrations plan to control health care costs buy DENIAL of ACCESS |
| Most real capitalists understand the concept of the customer being the center of a capitalist system. No customers,,, no need for sellers,, there are no buyers. Delay's House Conference of scandal represents simple minded stupidity. The George Walker Bush Administration's total disregard for the middle class is disheartening. |
| I want the 30 to 40 MILLION that need the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION to keep on eating. The only change the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION needs is a private plan add on to SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATIONsome thing like this Private Plan |
| This levee system is supposed to be a temporary system. BUSH has promised to build a better permanent system in the future, |
| Tis the " WORD ". fear and paranoia for good reasons people control the RNC way. |
| Yes keep the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION as it is. |
| Just as long as the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance is stoped from doing what the Delay's House Conference of scandal did with H.R. 1 in their "midnight bill passing". Why can't these people come up with some thing that will make money for all AMERICANS not just the The F.O.G. Elite . |
| Why not let all AMERICANS invest in AMERICA A Private Plan |
| IF the The F.O.G. Elite can figure how to make some $ DOLLARS $ on sick AMERICANS we will be on our own,,,,, you got a spare $50k laying around to fight a case of the "bird flu" ????
I don't!!!! |
| Lets talk about debit and deficits… The 2001 Tax Cut (1) is going to do this by 2014
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
As per the CBO if these tax breaks stay in place they will produce this "BILL" for all AMERICANS to pay off.
Cost of the BUSH tax cuts per person
From the Children's Defense Fund
While the poverty rate and number of AMERICANS living in poverty is going up.
Census Bureau Poverty Data 1959 to 2004
Now by age group
And our standing on this child poverty slides down.
Data from IDEAS at repec@repec.org
Full report at http://www.unicef-icdc.org/publications/pdf/repcard6e.pdf
As our national debit climbs!!!
How can any body blame seniors for receiving $3 BILLION to keep them from freezing in the winter or dieing of heat prostration in the summer. The The F.O.G. Elite is trying to $uck the $ DOLLARS $ out of the U. S. Treasury and into their pockets. Leaving the United States of America bankrupt and penniless. |
What are they building in New Orleans ??
Army Corps Is Faulted on New Orleans Levees
Panel Says Studies Foresaw Failure, Urges New Scrutiny
By Joby Warrick and Peter Whoriskey
Washington Post Staff Writers_Saturday, March 25, 2006; Page A06
An organization of civil engineers yesterday questioned the soundness of large portions of New Orleans's levee system, warning that the city's federally designed flood walls were not built to standards stringent enough to protect a large city.
….The group faulted the agency responsible for the levees, the Army Corps of Engineers, for adopting safety standards that were "too close to the margin" to protect human life. It also called for an urgent reexamination of the entire levee system, saying there are no assurances that the miles of concrete "I-walls" in New Orleans will hold up against even a moderate hurricane.
…The American Society of Civil Engineers panel is one of three independent teams investigating the failure of the New Orleans levees, and until now it has been the most cautious in its public criticisms. The other investigating teams quickly endorsed its findings.
….."We agree that every single foot of the I-walls is suspect," said Ivor van Heerden, leader of a Louisiana-appointed team of engineers. "When asked, we have constantly urged anyone returning to New Orleans to exercise caution, because the system now in place could fail in a Category 2 storm. It has already failed during a fast-moving Category 3 storm that missed New Orleans by 30 miles."
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| Don't worry the RNC slime machine will find something,,,, maybe she was short in her money during a Girl Scout cookie drive. That should warrant a DOJ investigation along with a complete IRS audit of all involved. |
Abramoff clearing DeLay
Mar 25, 2006_by Robert Novak
http://townhall.com/opinion/columns /robertnovak/2006/03/25/191300.html
Who is making policy on immigration in the George Walker Bush Administration ??
"While President Bush hits the road to build support, his spring offensive is bringing conservative activists and businessmen into the White House for briefings in small groups. "I've been in the White House more in the last two weeks than I was in the last two years," Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform told this column. Norquist and conservative theoretician Jeffrey Bell were called into a meeting on the administration's embattled immigration bill. Also attending were representatives of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers and the National Federation of Independent Business."
Who is Jeffrey Bell ??
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| Raise a million or two for BUSH and we can talk about that AmbaSocial Security Administrationdorship.
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| The BUSH game is to allow insurers the freedom to cherry pick covered drugs under H.R. 1 is the beginning of insurance deregulation to the point of only the very wealthy can afford it. And the poor die because they can't afford the treatments. |
| This is what H.R. 1 was intended to do. This bill is PORK for the The F.O.G. Elite . Seniors are the meal to be devoured. |
| Recently George Walker Bush made a comment that "seniors are using too much health care $ DOLLARS $ un-necessarily" ????? This shows the total disconnect between George Walker Bush and the real world . Who do you know that goes to see the doctor just for the fun of the trip ?? This study 65+ Health Care is the basis for his belief. I can't see where George Walker Bush derives his position of raising copays and reducing coverage from this study. May be George Walker Bush should pay for his health care. |
| Just click the link and read the names. These people are a subset of the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) These are the first ones served at the PORK table. The The F.O.G. Elite wrote H.R. 1 in "conference", Then demanded no amendments. From this list you will find Ambassadors, Dept. heads and other appointees. It's big $ DOLLARS $.
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| The problems of the RNC are many and their method of dealing with them are well known. The most obvious is to go after Sen. Hillary Clinton . |
| K-cal ran a piece on a CA voters group that is filling a law suit against the CA sec of state over the Dibold machines in CA. Got to go to work the battle goes on !! |
| The RNC should be nervous. Check this update on the Democrat primaries
IL-06: Tammy Duckworth. One of the premier races in the country -- and best opportunities for a Democratic pick-up -- has now taken shape. Illinois' 6th is the district left open by Henry Hyde's retirement, who you may remember as a chief architect of the Clinton impeachment. Not missing a beat, the Republicans are running a former Tom DeLay aide who got some of his first seed money in his first race from "the Hammer" himself. He'll have to stack that record up against Democrat Tammy Duckworth's, who became a leading advocate for veterans after losing both her legs to hostile fire in Iraq. She's an intensely impressive voice for Democratic values on everything from foreign policy to education, and this race will be front and center on everybody's radar screen. __
IL-08: Melissa Bean. The Illinois primaries also bring into focus another hot race. In 2004, one of the Democratic heroes was Melissa Bean, who ran an amazing upstart campaign to unseat 34-year Congressman Phil Crane. Her race may have been the biggest upset of the year, but the fact that she's a freshman Congresswoman in a district that went heavily for Bush has the Republicans foaming at the mouth. They know that if they can't get her out this time, it will just get harder and harder every election, so no surprise that RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman himself was up in Illinois to "rally the troops" this week. After a Republican primary where Republicans fought hard to prove they would rubber stamp President Bush's agenda, David McSweeney came out as the Republican nominee after spending more than a $1 million of his own money. Melissa Bean is ready to take him on, and her record of fighting for her district will be her best weapon. __But as those campaigns get going, there's one race that's already in its final phases... __
CA-50: Francine Busby. Out in San Diego the special election to fill Duke Cunningham's seat is in full swing. And while Republicans are busy fighting each other in the primary, Francine Busby is kicking into high gear. Her aggressive anti-corruption message is getting traction, and she's already passed the $1 million fundraising threshold. This is a seat Republicans have taken for granted for years, but Francine is ready for the challenge. __And here's a sampling of some of our other great challengers across the country... __
IN-08: Brad Ellsworth. Republican John Hostettler just may be the most divisive Republican in Congress. "Like a moth to a flame, Democrats can't help themselves when it comes to denigrating and demonizing Christians" -- so said Hostettler on the House floor last year. That's not representation, that's just absurd. Hostettler also made a national name for himself as one of just 11 House Members who voted against funding for reconstruction after Hurricane Katrina. And while Hostettler will have the extreme right behind him, he's run smack into one of the most formidable Democratic challengers anywhere, Sheriff Brad Ellsworth of Vanderburgh County. Ellsworth is an established star, having earned innumerable awards during his tenure as Sheriff, and his staggering fundraising advantage over Hostettler reflects that. Come November, this district could well replace one of the Republicans' chief hatchet men with a leader of a new generation of Democrats. As one local headline read recently, "Both parties see Hostettler-Ellsworth contest as pivotal." __
Connecticut: Farrell, Murphy, Courtney. As the Republican Party has lurched further and further to the right, deeper and deeper into the culture of corruption, Connecticut Republicans have been left out on a limb as they try to play moderate back home while staying in the good graces of their party bosses like President Bush and Tom DeLay. This year, three proud Democrats will make sure they don't get away with it again. __
CT-02: Joe Courtney. Democrat Joe Courtney is taking on Republican rubber stamp Rob Simmons. Rob Simmons is always in danger, and the only thing that has saved him has been big dollars from Tom DeLay and friends -- but this time Tom DeLay may not be so much help. And in one of the most Democratic seats held by a Republicans, Simmons' attacks on John Murtha may not go over so well. __
CT-04: Diane Farrell. Diane Farrell, a leader in an amazing crop of Democratic women running for Congress this year, is hoping to finish what she started last cycle when she came within inches of beating Republican faux-moderate Chris Shays. Shays has been a complete loyalist to the White House on Iraq, being trotted out any time they need a so-called "moderate" to parrot talking points like "[Al Qaeda] and Iraq, they're like peas in a pod." Now Diane has challenged him to a debate on Iraq, and surprise, he refuses -- then goes and writes another op-ed defending the White House in a conservative newspaper. __
CT-05: Chris Murphy. One of the most dynamic and effective Democrats around, Chris Murphy, is running an outstanding campaign that has put the Republicans on their heels. Republican Nancy Johnson is knee-deep in money from big drug and insurance lobbies, which is not surprising since she was the primary architect of the Republican Medicare bill that's left seniors baffled and without their prescriptions and left those lobbies richer than even they ever dreamed. Murphy's fierce campaigning may mean that seniors have one less Republican to sell them out come November.
Looks like things are off to a good start in the opening rounds of primaries.
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| The reason is simple the George Walker Bush Administration does not care about "the people " the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance is concerned about the The F.O.G. Elite and no one else. |
Wow Look At The SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVIST Pigs Feeding At The Trough
Grants Flow To Bush Allies On Social Issues
Federal Programs Direct At Least $157 Million
By Thomas B. Edsall
Washington Post Staff Writer_Wednesday, March 22, 2006; Page A01
For years, conservatives have complained about what they saw as the liberal tilt of federal grant money. Taxpayer funds went to abortion rights groups such as Planned Parenthood to promote birth control, and groups closely aligned with the AFL-CIO got Labor Department grants to run worker-training programs.
In the Bush administration, conservatives are discovering that turnabout is fair play: Millions of dollars in taxpayer funds have flowed to groups that support President Bush's agenda on abortion and other social issues.
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Heritage was a tiny organization with deeply conservative social philosophy but not much muscle to promote it….
…The budget was $51,288.00
Do you realy think these people will vote Democratic? Being a member of the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) can be very profitable
…By 2004, Heritage Community Services had become a major player in the booming business of abstinence education. Its budget passed $3 million -- much of it in federal grants distributed by Bush's Department of Health and Human Services
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| A summery and a link is the AARP TOS approved way to cite / post an copy protected article. ?? |
| I filled a complaint with the "options" link on message 31463.32 . I don/t know who will read that but I told who ever that SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION data is not copy protected. Could this be a "newbie" or a "hacker" I have received no e-mails from AARP???
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| The way out is the same thing that FDR was counting on when he conceived the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION system to "pre-pay" the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION system. It is compound interest . Back in the 1930's 40's interest was paid on the quarter, a 5% bond paid 5% of "face" each quarter.
THE INITIAL TEN YEAR PERIOD WAS TO BE THE RAMP UP TO A PRE-FUNDED SYSTEM.
CLICK CHART and scroll down about one inch !
This is the reason why the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION is having problems, The first ears all the cash was flowing in . For ten years cash was to be flowing in. This was changed by a small group of congressmen " wing nuts from the Republican party joined with half wit Democrats derailed FDR's plan by freezing the scheduled FICA tax increases that would have funded the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION system. So here we are patching up the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION Trust every few years. If we the people of the United States of America stay the course this would be last time,.
Now we have the chance to possibly do it again get ahead big time. The boomers will die off !! If the BOOMERS pay for their own retirement ( raise FICA 1.8% ) and give the genXers and GenY's a break. The coming generations will have a SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION Trust that is well into the black and stable |
| For some reason I can't find the down load link at the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION web site for Performance and Accountability Report FY 2005 I had to load it up to my web site so I could link to it. Are these moderators RNC / Cato/Heritage operatives?? Or just very confused by the written language??? |
Is This Jack Abramoff 's Way Out?
Why Clearing A Cop's Name Matters In Abramoff Scandal
By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Monday, March 20, 2006; Page D01
A former D.C. cop could alter national politics this year. Here's why: An appeals court decision that involves the police officer could well make it harder for prosecutors to make a case against lawmakers implicated in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal.
This is where it gets good
…The federal appeals court here in the District decided that officials such as Valdes should not be convicted for taking payoffs unless their behavior involved a "decision or action" that affected a "formal government decision made in fulfillment of government's public responsibilities." "Casual and informal use of government resources," which in this case included Valdes's database queries, the decision added, would not qualify as the kind of official act that could be prosecuted under the law….
Will Jack Abramoff beat this rap. |
| Looks like AARPHOST2 3/20/2006 10:33:04 AM is at it again this post was edited for containing copy protected material
31463.32
This is what the projected SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION Trust draw down looks like from the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION actuaries
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| To who ever is playing with my posts understand this I just report each incident to the IFCC/FBI/. |
| Drop the hyper-political babble and stick to facts. Is it true or false who said it does not matter. Get it find a link to disprove the thesis.
If you are saying the data in SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION reform plan costs is wrong LETS SEE THE CITES
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| Yes!! You are looking for the same thing that I have been searching for this past year.
If you look at
Operations of the Combined OASI and DI Trust Funds,
in Constant 2005 Dollars
Calendar Years 2005-80
Low Cost Assumptions
[In billions] http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/TR05/Ir6f7-1.html
Not the granularity of the data in this table, year by year 2005 to 2080.
Now look at this table depicting the same thing for the Intermediate model.
Operations of the Combined OASI and DI Trust Funds,
in Constant 2005 Dollars
Calendar Years 2005-40
Intermediate Assumptions http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/TR05/Ir-6f7-2.html
Note that the data is now terminated at 2041?
I just spent the morning trying to find the PAR report down load link on the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION web site looks like it is gone ?? I have to get some sleep. |
| Now cite the page or give the url are you saying that the CBO projections are wrong? |
| What law did Rosti write to increase the health care costs of millions of seniors ?? Did Rosti ever say that the seniors of the U. S. are " over insured " ???? did Rosti ever propose raising the "out of pocket" expenses of seniors ??? to cost shift health care expenses to the poorest seniors from the insurance companies. Another SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVIST rip off of the poor. Did Rosti ever propose and enact a tax increase on the poorest of AMERICANS.
Did Rosti ever demand that lobbing firms on K Street hire only Democrats???
How many CIA covert operatives did Rosti out in his term in the US House of Representatives ??
Lets talk about equivalence. |
| That sounds like the The F.O.G. Elite ordering the RNC ? Cato/Heritage Alliance to to mobilize the K Street Project boys to pass H.R. 1 . That is why George Walker Bush is still out trying to sell his collection of Boondoggle RNC approved SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION reform plans |
| This new style politics of deliver nothing to your constituents, lower their standard of living, raise their taxes, increase their out of pocket cost of health care, then have the nerve to tell them " WE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB " . This has got to be a first in the history of the United States of America . |
| This is what the projected SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION Trust draw down looks like from the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION actuaries
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| IF one looks at the roots of the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance in the Lenin-Plan.pdf it is but an extension of the fundamental need for the complete control of all media and speech to influence the moderation of these boards at AARP. The " message " that must sent from the collected opinion of the discussions must be made to conform to the stated goals of the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance. Thus appears the " paid poster " or RNC /Cato/Heritage Alliance " operative " . These people must be given a wide latitude to operate ( drive dissent off the board so the operatives may present their case in a contradiction free environment. Note the recent FCC awards of fines for indecency for depicting minors participating in a " orgy " with out showing any "nudity" or indecent actions. This was declared as indecent material. Given Prospero's delicate position with many clients to satisfy a whisper of a problem from a client may produce a "sharp knee jerk" reaction " moderators gone wild ".
IF one further notes the recent IRS threats against the NAACP , a catholic church in Pasadena CA and the Cato/Heritage suggestion that AARP should have it's tax status pulled. Given Cato/Heritage's "most favored think tank" status AARP has every reason to be worried . The RNC slime machine is pointing at the AARP. |
| You are trying to re-present an old set of proposals that have already been discredited by so many posters and independent organizations including the CBO , GAO via their functional and economic analysis. All of the RNC / Cato/Heritagealliance approved plans are a collection of Boondoggle rip-offs. In effect their own numbers are their worst enemy.
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With Rick Santorum as the Ethics Czar the money oozes back into place. You may be right !
Lobbyists Foresee Business As Usual
Post-Abramoff Rules Expected to Be Merely a Nuisance
By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 19, 2006; Page A01
Some of Washington's top lobbyists say that they expect to find ways around congressional efforts to impose new restrictions on lobbyists' dealings with lawmakers in the wake of the Jack Abramoff corruption scandal, and that any limits will barely put a dent in the billions of dollars spent to influence legislation.
Though Congress may ultimately vote to eliminate a few of the more visible trappings of special pleading, such as gifts, free meals and luxurious trips, lobbyists say they have already found scores of new ways to buy the attention of lawmakers through fundraising, charitable activities and industry-sponsored seminars. An estimated $10 billion is spent annually to influence legislation and regulations, and that spending is not likely to be diminished by the proposed lobbying changes, these lobbyists contend.
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let's see the cites !
don't say it if you can't cite it
Why spend $5 TRILLION to $24 TRILLION
To fix a $4 TRILLION PROJECTED PROBLEM |
| I found Sen. Trent Lott to a true window on life in the NEW RNC when he stood in the midst of Katrina's destruction and asked " What are they doing up there???" . The old Pro wondering what is wrong with this administration. |
What do you think the BUSH plan gives the selected few . A low earning 50% margin 401k an un-suitable investment for primary retirement income in any portfolio managers view . This Boondoggle is the eternal search for the 6% solution a real investment dog. |
Read some facts the RNC reform plan costs are ridiculous what dummy would spend $5 TRILLION to $24 TRILLION to fix a problem that has a cash cost of $4 TRILLION. !!!!!
RNC SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION reform plan costs |
| Just maybe the U. S. Attorneys will be handing down indictments a week before the elections. |
| SoL : As I have stated any attempt to compare the dumb policies of the US House of Representatives Bank under Rosti to the current Republican culture of Corruption is a stretch of the imagination for the most avid of conspiracy theorists. |
| This html parser is the best I have seen ,AOL, NBC, Democrats underground . Whitney is the best . |
| The Raygun era did a great job of setting up a a poverty increase and the " contract with AMERICA was a great helpto . Were you around to see that ? |
| That is your loss you would bankrupt the United States of America for a looser 401k |
| SERAPHIM put it together this is a link to Prospero's site |
| That was right on the money these people at Prospero are a rather large management co. AARP AOL BUSINESS WEEK. They also sell complete software packages…If the are so well tuned to the " blog / community content arena Why the amateurish attempts at con jobs? |
| Right this is just nibbling at the edges. If Sen. Trent Lott can get away with it may just embolden other Republican to stand up and ask a question. Maybe try to improve a piece of legislation and may be dare to target a piece of legislation to help their constituents and not the The F.O.G. Elite .
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There is no such thing as a free lunch. Some body will have to pay. The RNC / Cato/Heritage way is to have the middle class and the poor pay |
| With the shifting tax liability as per
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
and the fact that the private accounts uunder all RNC approved plans will add from $5 TRILLION to $24 TRILLION in new debit for our grand children to pay off. And looking at the debit George Walker Bush has already created.
Have you heard the just approved the $9 Trillion limit !
You want to spend $5 TRILLION to $24 TRILLION to fix a $4 TRILLION projected problem Hmmmmm.
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A url ?
What services list them . The right to pay higher taxes to support tax breaks for people making $100,000.00 / year +? Is that a benefit ? Can you justify the ever increasing poverty rate in the U. S.
Census Bureau Poverty Data 1959 to 2004
Now by age group
While the cpi steadily climbs
JAN 06 BLS CPI
Going UP the minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr . That is a loss of $48.40/week in buying power |
| you said : Apparently, they have subcontracted the management of this forum out to a company that does the same thing for a number of sites...so it may be out of sight and out of mind.
Do you have a name for this mysterious company ? They should hire readers who understand copyright law and the concept of "fair use" |
| Yes we will decline health care and do what the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance wants die No money No Health care No health care you die !
The problem of the poor is solved. |
Why The Double Quack?
You said: Another nice try... you keep using selective data to make your argumement. At least you didn't use left wing publications this time. Looking at the chart, the lowest paid also pay the least amount of taxes. On the other hand, business losses from people who CREATE jobs are reflected in the higher taxed groups, reducing their tax rate. The documents you yanked that chart from have fuller explanations, but are far too detailed to be dicussed here. But I can say, all is not what it appears to be by publishing just one or two charts to make your case. But... you did make the case by using your chart... who does foot the bills in the USA though. You actually made the case that the rich do pay your way, as federal incoming revenue does mirror the tax % paid in by group. I hope you're not a criminal defense attorney, by time you're finished, your client would get a life sentence for a parking ticket.
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
What is it about " individual tax liability that you don't understand ?
If you say it cite it….
This is the RNC / Cato/Heritage way make the poorest poorer by raising their taxes ( injecting a healthy dose of creep the first paying bracket just went form $7.00 to $20.00 to $60.00 ) just bleed a days gross pay out of the poor at the bottom to give the richest at the top a tax break very slimy.
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| Is that why the RNC passed the 2001 Tax Cut (1) which will by 2014 rectify this situation.
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES |
VERY TRUE ABSOLUTLY RIGHT
If Sen. Trent Lott can get away with this maybe there may be hope of fixing this H.R. 1 garbage when the Democrats get control of one of the houses of congress( The real Republicans coming out of hiding ). They have become like ANN FRANK.
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| The RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance has embarked on a self destructive course by following the teachings of Lenin. via the Lenin-Plan.pdf . The dangerous thing is the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance may destroy the United States of America in the process. From the 2001 Tax Cut (1)
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
to the passage of H.R. 1 and the resulting drug price increases that have followed. Now we are looking at H.R. 4167's Funny Food.
Each of these "Rip Offs of the AMERICAN people has started with K Street Project initiatives. Which were derived straight from the Lenin-Plan.pdf . |
| How old are you ? if you are over 50 you would know of the "Commie threat" posed by the use of Lenin's tactics . If you are over 50 you would remember Hoover and all the things he did some good and some bad FYI Hoover was the director of the FBI for many years he held power with black mail and corrupt wire taps. "Mr. ED" as I liked to call him also wrote the book on busting up communist buII and propaganda ( " Masters of Deceit " ). The RNC has adopted the Lenin-Plan.pdf as their strategy and training bible. In effect the RNC has embraced the propaganda teachings of the master of propaganda Lenin. . The RNC has been using these tactics via Karl Rove , Lewis Scooter Libby Rick Santorum ect. . Read the material and study the times where as this approach will enlighten you as who you are talking to and will save you from asking such questions. You are new to the AARP boards so the signature area may be new,, get used to it. |
| What can one expect when there is nobody in charge of a multi BILLION dollar agency. |
Click the links and read !! |
| lets make it easy go to http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/socialsecurity.cfm#pt5
and select from this list and we can talk.
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Cite it lets see the numbers! |
| Here is the cost of the RNC SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION reform plan costs
How long do you intend to live long enough to pay your share of $20 TRILLION ???? |
| With respect to the wholly Roman Empire( a pack of @$$ holes ) a few things every body knew about the Romans. These people were your worst nightmare when it came to brutality and mass murder. What was meted out to JESUS CHRIST was SOP a daily occurrence. What was different was the fact that there was no reason for the Roman Empire to execute CHRIST. Pontius Pilot acted preemptively with the hope of preventing Christ from gaining a " large following ". Christ had yet to reach the level of "seditious acts and statements". In the Roman Empire Failure is a DEATH SENTENCE for anybody including Pontius Pilot. An insurrection on his turf could result in Pilot being on the "cross". The Pharisees had learned the hard way ( watching decimations and " minor disciplinary actions" ( only one or two people killed just to get peoples attention ). Assembling a "mob" to demonstrate in the street was not a problem. Do what you are told or YOU MAY BE NEXT !! or your kids or your husband.
In my Latin II text I translated the writings of Marcus Arulious. "The Revenge of The Crucified" is a good description of living with "Crucifixion Hill". There was also a great account of a Centurion who " Was only following orders " and destroyed an entire village he killed every thing every living thing in a village. Grass, trees, crops, farm animals, people. This dummy couldn't handle the Ablative case and miss understood the written orders given to him. Remember failure is DEATH. HE WAS TO ELIMINATE ALL RISTANCE TO ROMAN RULE.
The Prophet Mohammed was also faced with Roman Legions looking to kill him and any of his followers they could find. This is how the Jihad was born. Mohammed was up against the most evil and ruthless army known to man. This is what every body knew back then.
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| My question is what will the new RNC do to Sen. Trent Lott if he actually pushes this legislation. Can Sen. Trent Lott survive the RNC slime machine. Do the SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS dare use it on Sen. Trent Lott to stop this bill. |
| I am willing to admit that Rosti messed up and he is paying for it but don't equate what he did with the slime that is selling this country down the river for a few $ DOLLARS $ more. Rosti messed up the House bank not the food on our store shelves. Rosti never sold out to BIG PHARMA and left people wondering how they will stay alive when they can’t afford their meds. Just to obtain a great job lobbying congress.
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| You would spend $5 TRILLION to $24 TRILLION to fix a $4 TRILLION problem? You would force your grand children to pay for your decision? |
| Why don't you READ THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT then read H.R. 4167 . Rosti wrote much of the voting rights act he was proud and he should have been. Now who wants to stand and claim H.R. 4167 . This bill will put rotten meat on our store shelves just so the The F.O.G. Elite can make a few more bucks. Which is the higher purpose?? Making a few $ DOLLARS $ more or extending the constitutional right to vote to all AMERICANS . Would you like to talk about H.R. 1?
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George Walker Bush's approval ratings may be dropping because the poor removal (1)(2)(3)(4)(5) from New Orleans is in full swing. The money has been there now why is the so slow in granting the loans to the SMALL BUSINESSES
SBA has approved $6 billion in loans to hurricane victims
Memphis Business Journal - 2:35 PM CST Monday
http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/stories/2006/03/13/daily4.html
The U.S. Small Business Administration has award loans to businesses and homeowners in record numbers following hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
The SBA said it has approved $6 billion in loans to homeowners, renters and businesses, including $3.8 billion in Louisiana and $1.8 billion in Mississippi. Florida, Texas and Alabama received loan approvals totaling $166 million, $145 million and $96 million, respectively.
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| Have you taken a look at H.R. 4167 now Delay's House Conference of scandal wants rotten meat on our store shelves looking just as read and tasty as ever while being pure poison. Some what like the RNC . |
| Lets hope The Honorable K. Harris is indicted on he swearing in day. |
| The RNC's slime cannot be compared to Rostenkowski . Rostenkowski wrote "good law" most of the members of the current Delay's House Conference of scandal can't. The new RNC approved method is to let the "Industry Legislative Analysts" write what they want into the pending legislation in the conference committees. An example is H.R. 4167 . This bill was passed by the house with little to no debate and only The F.O.G. Elite approved amendments. H.R. 4167 stands to put rotten meat on our store shelves in packages that will hide all visual signs of spoilage. We will be out "SCRATCHING AND SNIFFING" ALL STORE PACKAGED MEAT.
H.R. 4167 may also have us caring Giger counters to check radiation levels. |
| The intent of the George Walker Bush Administration should be well known by now. The The F.O.G. Elite will never stop until they are voted out of power . The The F.O.G. Elite want the brokerage business from the RNC approved plans. The The F.O.G. Elite want your money stuck in the stock market so they can make BILLIONS of dollars in trading profits ( in both up and down markets ) as we play the FOOL. |
| Looks like Delay's House Conference of scandal has struck again ( just like H.R. 1 ) . Is the The F.O.G. Elite trying to preempt ISO 22000 ??? Or are the The F.O.G. Elite out to have ROTTEN MEAT SITTING ON STORE SHELVS FOR WEEKS AFTER THE EXPARITY DATE. This little gem of a slime ball is very tricky.
National Uniformity for Food Act of 2005 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House) HR 4167 EH
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
SEC. 2. NATIONAL UNIFORMITY FOR FOOD.
`SEC. 403B. UNIFORMITY IN FOOD SAFETY WARNING NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SEC. 3. CONDITIONS.
SEC. 4. ENSURING ADEQUATE INFORMATION FOR INFANTS, CHILDREN, AND WOMEN OF CHILD-BEARING AGE.
Passed the House of Representatives March 8, 2006. Attest: Clerk. To amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to provide for uniform food safety warning notification requirements, and for other purposes.
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| Looks like the RNC character assassination machine is oozing on. The Blogs are condemning Sen. D. Stabenow This picture was on the DRUDGE REPORT.
This is an " odd couple " in Congress that has banded together to do something truly USEFULL Sen. D. Stabenow !!!
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<3>Have sponsored S 2300 to help control the price of prescription drugs
STABENOW (for herself and Mr. LOTT):
S. 2300. A bill to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to market exclusivity for certain drugs, and for other purposes; to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. Ms. STABENOW. Mr. President, I rise today to introduce the Lower PRICED Drugs Act. I want to thank Senator TRENT LOTT for joining me on this important legislation, and for his leadership in increasing the availability of affordable generic drugs. I am very pleased that our legislation is supported by AARP, General Motors Corporation, AFL-CIO, Alliance for Retired Americans, Families USA, the Generic Pharmaceutical Association, the Pharmaceutical Care Management Association, PCMA, the National Association of Chain Drug Stores, and the Coalition for a Competitive Pharmaceutical Marketplace--an organization including large national employers and insurers. We know that greater availability of generic drugs translates into dramatic savings for consumers, manufacturers, businesses, and taxpayers. Of the 25 top selling drugs in 2004, the only one that did not increase in price was a drug available both in generic and over-the-counter form. And, according to the National Association of Chain Drug Stores, while the average retail price for a brand drug in 2004 was $96.01 the average retail price for a generic was $28.74, a savings of nearly 70 percent. It's a very well known principle of economics: competition lowers prices. But we don't need to rely on economic theory; we only have to look at what is happening with drug prices. Of the top five brand name drugs, by retail sales, the average price for 1 month's use of the cheapest among them is just over $76, and the 3rd most popular drug--zocor--is more than $140 per month. That's $1,680 per year for an important drug to lower cholesterol levels. The average price of the most popular five drugs--none of which faces generic competition--is over $114. There is nothing to hold down the prices of these drugs, and in fact, even though many of them have been on the market for years and years, their prices continue to increase. I first checked the prices of these drugs last November, and then again on Monday of this week. The prices this week are higher, by several dollars in many cases, than they were last year. However, consider the prices consumers pay for drugs for which there are generic equivalents. The most frequently dispensed generic drugs are hydrocodone, lisinopril, atenolol, amoxicillin and hydrocholorothiazide. Not only are these important drugs, used to treat pain, high blood pressure, and bacterial infections, considerably more affordable than their brand name equivalents, the average generic price is $9.34, representing a savings of more than 60 percent from the average brand price of $24.74, but the presence of competition has another important effect: The average price of these brand name drugs is a lot lower than the average price of brand drugs that don't face competition. While the generic provisions in the Medicare Modernization Act, MMA, [Page: S1421] GPO's PDF New loopholes have been found to keep generics off the market, and keep prices higher than they need to be. In fact, in 2004, a year after AMA passed, brand name prescription drug prices rose by 7.1 percent, the biggest single-year price hike in 5 years. Our bill would close several loopholes that prevent and delay generics from coming to market. It will increase access to affordable generic drugs and save consumers, businesses and Federal health programs billions of dollars annually. The Lower PRICED Drugs Act would prevent abuse of the current pediatric exclusivity provision. It would ensure that pediatric exclusivity is used as intended, to generate information about the use of drugs in children, and prevent brand drug companies from keeping more affordable generic alternatives of drugs not suitable for children, or never studied in children, off the market. For example, Pravigard PAC contains two widely used medications: pravastatin, used to lower cholesterol, and aspirin. Despite the fact that aspirin isn't safe in children, the manufacturer received a six-month pediatric extension. What sense does that make? The manufacturer of Pravigard PAC even includes the following warning in the patient information they put out:
Who should not (manufacturer's emphasis) take PRAVIGARD PAC? Do not take PRAVIGARD PAC if you: Are 18 years of age or younger. Children younger than 18 years should not use any product with aspirin in it.
Pediatric marketing extensions should not be given for products not suitable for children, like those containing aspirin. Using pediatric marketing protections to extend brand name monopolies should be reserved for studies that help us learn more about drugs for kids, not to keep lower-cost generic alternatives of drugs for adults off the market. Our bill would also remove an arbitrary roadblock to the entry of generic versions of certain antibiotics, close a loophole that allows drug companies to use the current complex rules for challenging drug patents as a delaying tactic against the introduction of generics and prevent abuses of the citizen petition process. I look forward to working with Senator LOTT to create more competition, more choices, and more savings for American consumers of prescription drugs, and I urge colleagues to join us in this effort. I ask unanimous consent to have the text of the bill and the letters of support we have received at this time printed in the RECORD. There being no objection, the text of the material was ordered to be printed in the RECORD, as follows: S. 2300 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
Full text can be found at Thomas.loc.gov search S. 2300 |
Sen, | IF you think the George Walker Bush Administration is interested in improving the lot of health care consumers you will buy any thing an body has to sell at any price.
There is currently a move afoot in congress to completely "deregulate the insurance industry. This bill will allow insurers to issue high cost low coverage policies ( less than 20% coverage per hospitalization ). These policies are currently called "junk insurance". If the The F.O.G. Elite have their way "junk insurance" policies will be the norm. We will be hard pressed to find a real coverage in the market place. This will result in billions in additional insurance Co. profits and drain billions ot of the pockets of working AMERICANS. This is the game in a nut shell cost shifting from the insurance companies to the consumer. The $ DOLLARS $ will flow from the consumers to the The F.O.G. Elite. |
| I see the smear Sen. Hillary Clinton campaign is still going on. Old news of failed character assassination attempts . The RNC slime machine oozes on down the road. |
| Delay's House Conference of scandal is motoring on as if nothing happened. The slime simply filled in the gap left by the indictment of Delay ( low surface tension or morals ! ). Now Sen Bill Frist is out campaigning for th e GOP presidential nomination. May be his indictment will be handed down after the GOP convention nominates him. Rick Santorum is milking the K Street Project boys as the new ETHICS CZAR ! The RNC juggernaut just oozes on down the road consuming more and more of AMERICAS wealth . |
| Please don't be too hard on the AARP they were taken to the cleaners just as most members of congress were by Delay's House Conference of scandal H.R. 1 was completely rewritten in conference and the order was passed " shut up and vote yes " . The passage of H.R. 1 had to be one of the largest " legislative annalists " projects on the hill in recent history. These people were hired by BIG PHARMA to tune H.R. 1 , the insurance industry , and the regulatory environment to the liking of the The F.O.G. Elite . In a sentence AARP was just one of "THE SUCKERS" JUST LIKE YOU AND ME . READ the bill if you can stand the anger and rage of knowing a congressman sold the AMERICAN people down the river for a good job and some money in his pocket. This is the RNC of today. |
A Cancer Drug's Big Price Rise Disturbs Doctors andPatients
By ALEX BERENSON
Published: March 12, 2006
On Feb. 3, Joyce Elkins filled a prescription for a two-week supply of nitrogen mustard, a decades-old cancer drug used to treat a rare form of lymphoma. The cost was $77.50
On Feb. 17, Ms. Elkins, a 64-year-old retiree who lives in Georgetown, Tex., returned to her pharmacy for a refill. This time, following a huge increase in the wholesale price of the drug, the cost was $548.01.
Talk about prescription drug inflation !!!!
With H.R. 1 in place now the price gouging starts.
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| Why should the minimum wage worker have to support the lazy good for nothing sots amongst the The F.O.G. Elite |
| Sounds to me like another "Borne Again Christien" SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVIST flips his top and self destructs!! Makes you wonder how stable are these "Borne Again" folks. Is their turn to "Jesus" nothing more than a tortured mind desperately trying to reach a temporary state of "equilibrium". |
New America Foundation contributions to RNC / George Walker Bush found these two in the BUSH / Cheney contributors list.
C00230342NM4 P2399070466815 Kornbluh, Karen
Washington DC 20036
New America Foundation/Fellow
033120030000500 0059341
C00383653NM7 P2497135386915 Boots, Shelley
Silver Spring MD 20910
NEW AMERICA FOUNDATION/RESEARCH DIR
063020040000500 1788162
Karen is some what strange she is Obama's Policy Director??? What did the Republicans do to her ?? Did she jump ship??
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| Lets cut the buII . First off the minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in spending power as of Feb 06. $7.25 in two years will give them a net gain of about $.60 per hour. Wow what wage inflation after all George Walker Bush gave himself and Cheney a pay raise as the first official piece of business of the George Walker Bush Administration. They got theirs they don't care about poor working man and his family ( why did they leave all those people in New Orleans to get rid of them ). Such is life with a SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVIST PRESIDENT . The average wage of production workers has done this since 1997
was this too inflationary for you ?
The RNC has started raising their taxes
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES |
| Does the truth hurt that much?? Truth try it some time a breath of fresh air. |
| Do you enjoy reading them that much ? Just the facts citable facts. |
| Looks like the slime is back in the same crack in the US SENATE . Check out the New AMERICA Foundation a new right wing "mini Cato/Heritage . I guess Santorum thinks every body has forgotten about Jack Abramoff and the K Street Project boys. Remember Rick Santorum is the new "ETHICS CZAR" he can do no wrong. |
| OF Google did a Name Base on Ted Halstead ( CEO of New America) seams he is cited in an old Washington DC tabloid news paper "The spotlight" These folks were right of right. ? Do you know any one with a subscription to Name Base ? am thinking of joining??? |
| You are describing the eff3ects of the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance economic plan for the U. S. economy. The creation of a Feudal United States of America is the goal. Two distinct classes will be defined within the ranks of the AMERICAN citizenry rich and poor working class. This division should be in place just in time for the effects of the 2001 Tax Cut (1) hit the middle class.
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
This should about align us with Mexico in 2014 and cure or immigration problem at the Mexican border. |
| IF SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION history is of interest to some I advise going to http://www.ssa.gov/history/reports/crsleghist3.html on the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION web site. |
| This would explain the threat loaded into this Cato/Heritage publication http://www.socialsecurity.org/sstw/sstw12-16-05.pdf Looks like some one is asking for help in eliminating the opposition! I wonder how much "bachshish" was passed to the author. |
| The Cato/Heritage has been the driving force behind most of the RNC's policy initiatives. Since $ DOLLARS $ is the core of the SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS value system how else do you reward or inspire a SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVIST ? |
| Please do not buy into the " them and us " paradigm. Each member of the U. S. Armed Services is an AMERICAN. He /she is us. There is no " them ".
The act of fighting a war is but an attempt to survive and control an on going " disaster ".
He who has the best survival rate and can control the directed destructive capabilities of his forces and mitigate his adversaries destructive capabilities will prevail. |
| You have no idea what it is like to go multiple days with out food. I say keep the un-qualified political half wits out of the way. The AMERICAN military have every right to help save the lives of AMERICANS. At least the military understand how to move people and supplies with out senseless impotence and stupidity displayed by Chirptoff and Brownie. The JCS should have been the lead agency. The JCS could have saved a thousand lives while the bobsy twins and BUSH did their TV spots. What we needed was expert decision makers not The F.O.G. Elite half wits.
1300 DEAD Over 2000 missing Tell it to the dead they may believe you.
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| The carpet baggers have already moved into New Orleans. The scum hit NO as soon as the water receded. Offering a fast buck for your house on the spot. The big time developers have already tried to stamped the folks out of the lower 9 th ward with a theme park New Orleans development project. Last I heard that project was canned. Lets hope that the " people of New Orleans get a chance to determine what happens to their property. |
The George Walker Bush death toll keeps rising as the search for bodies continues in New Orleans. BUSH's Negligent Homicide will go down in history as one of the most vindictive and wonton acts of Negligence and continuous dereliction of duty by a government official.
Katrina victim's body found in attic
Searchers resume operations, expect to find up to 400 missing
From Sean Callebs_CNN_
Monday, March 6, 2006; Posted: 1:20 p.m. EST (18:20 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/06/katrina.bodies /index.html?section=cnn_topstories
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Three days after officials inspected a storm-damaged home spray-painted with "0" -- indicating no bodies inside -- cadaver dogs led searchers to a victim of Hurricane Katrina in the attic.
Before dying, the man apparently was trying to crawl out of an air-conditioning vent to escape rising floodwaters, said Dr. Louis Cataldie, Louisiana's medical examiner.
Cataldie said searchers expect to find up to 400 more bodies of storm victims still hidden inside New Orleans homes six months after the storm.
Cataldie said Monday that cadaver-searching dogs are critical to the search and recovery missions. (Watch cadaver dogs scour buildings -- :47)
"Obviously my concern is we could clear a house and determine there's no body inside," he said. "So it's important to get these dog teams in before any debris is removed."
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| looks to me like the George Walker Bush administration as a whole was moving slow. The "brownie " bashing seams simplistic ??? Was the BUSH administration trying to remove the poor(1)(2)(3)(4)(5) from New Orleans??
In light of the first FEMA emergency declaration FEMA-3212-EM . I am seriously troubled by the days of hand ringing and inactivity BEFORE Katrina hit New Orleans. FEMA was placed in charge of the Katrina response. The equipment moving and people moving capabilities of the U. S. military are well known to the JCS and FEMA . A rather simple response as described in post 30259.108 with 2 days notice ??? Did any body ask the JCS if they could help??? Was Chirptoff sand bagging ??
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| Looks like FEMAwas in charge on the 27 TH.
Note the date on this Notice
Federal Register Notice
Billing Code 9110-10-P
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Louisiana; Emergency and Related Determinations
http://www.fema.gov/news/dfrn.fema?id=4489
AGENCY: Federal Emergency Management Agency, Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate, Department of Homeland Security.
ACTION: Notice.
SUMMARY: This is a notice of the Presidential declaration of an emergency for the State of Louisiana (FEMA-3212-EM), dated August 27, 2005, and related determinations.
EFFECTIVE DATE: August 27, 2005.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Magda Ruiz, Recovery Division, Federal Emergency Management Agency, Washington, DC 20472, (202) 646-2705.
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: Notice is hereby given that, in a letter dated August 27, 2005, the President declared an emergency declaration under the authority of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (the Stafford Act), as follows:
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| Delay like most "mob " bosses can run his organization from behind bars. |
| IF you have proof of wrong doing ,,, Call The FBI . What does that have to do with George Walker Bush's Negligent Homicide in his neglect of the New Orleans SELA ??
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Trained Emergency Relief Workers
Army, Navy, Air force, Marines fully equipped and waiting, ( with own transportation ).
Trained to deal with pandemics or biological terrorism
Army, Navy, Air force, Marines fully equipped and waiting, ( with own transportation ).
Trained to deal with rescue from rubble (earthquakes/explosions)
Army, Navy, Air force, Marines fully equipped and waiting, ( with own transportation ).
Trained to deal with chemical and nuclear contamination (such as train wrecks, chemical plant, nuclear plant, or terrorism
Army, Navy, Air force, Marines fully equipped and waiting, ( with own transportation ).
Trained to dispatch and distribute emergency food and water
Army, Navy, Air force, Marines fully equipped and waiting, ( with own transportation ) with huge stock piles of food and water and medical supplies. Ready and waiting.
Trained and equipped.
Army, Navy, Air force, Marines fully equipped and waiting, ( with own transportation ).
NOT WARFIGHTERS!
OR,, Call " Cirptoff and Brownie " then wait a week for them to find their @$$E$
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| Before the diarrhea of th mouth and constipation of one's brain gets too bad ….Read the law!!!
United States Code TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER 34 - NATIONAL EMERGENCIES
SUBCHAPTER III - EXERCISE OF EMERGENCY POWERS AND AUTHORITIES
Section 1631. Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress
When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.
SUBCHAPTER IV - ACCOUNTABILITY AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF PRESIDENT Section1641. Accountability and reporting requirements of President
The president does not have to ask any bodies permission to declare a state of national emergency. Blanco and Nagin have no say in the mater. The Commander and Chief has the power.
Here you can find " EO's " listed for your reading enjoyment.
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We already have that capability IF FEMA Had been run by Qualified pros ( a Ret. General) or somebody with some command experience and the will to help people the response I described in 30259.108 is a relatively easy military mission. Why have the amateurs in command let the PROS DO THEIR JOB !
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| Deploying the following was and is doable. What was FEMA doing???
At Least 4 C-17's 2 MRE's , 2 bottled water
There are over 100 C-17 in service the C-17 can also evacuate people on return trips
The design of the aircraft allows it to operate through small, austere airfields. The C-17 can take off and land on runways as short as 3,500 feet (1,064 meters) and only 90 feet wide (27.4 meters). Even on such narrow runways, the C-17 can turn around using a three-point star turn and its backing capability
General Characteristics
Primary Function: Cargo and troop transport
Prime Contractor: Boeing Company
Power Plant: Four Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 turbofan engines
Thrust: 40,440 pounds, each engine
Wingspan: 169 feet 10 inches (to winglet tips) (51.75 meters) Length: 174 feet (53 meters)
Height: 55 feet 1 inch (16.79 meters)
Cargo Compartment: length, 88 feet (26.82 meters); width, 18 feet (5.48 meters); height, 12 feet 4 inches (3.76 meters)
Speed: 450 knots at 28,000 feet (8,534 meters) (Mach .76)
Service Ceiling: 45,000 feet at cruising speed (13,716 meters)
Range: Global with in-flight refueling
Crew: Three (two pilots and one loadmaster)
Aeromedical Evacuation Crew: A basic crew of five (two flight nurses and three medical technicians) is added for aeromedical evacuation missions. Medical crew may be altered as required by the needs of patients
Maximum Peacetime Takeoff Weight: 585,000 pounds (265,352 kilograms)
Load: 102 troops/paratroops; 36 litter and 54 ambulatory patients and attendants; 170,900 pounds (77,519 kilograms) of cargo (18 pallet positions)
Unit Cost: Unit Cost: $202.3 million (FY98 constant dollars)
Date Deployed: June 1993
Inventory: Active duty, 131; Air National Guard, 8; Air Force Reserve, 8
Point of Contact
Air Mobility Command, Office of Public Affairs; 503 Ward Drive, Suite 217; Scott Air Force Base, Ill. 62225-5335; DSN 779-7843 or (618) 229-7843
At Least 4 CH-47D's Ground Support Personnel & Communications
& Initial Ranger Recon Teams
Also use the CH-47 to find " porta – podies ", motor generators ect. and evacuate people.
CH-47D was the result of June 1976 contract for a modernized Chinook. Three airframes, CH-47A, CH-47B, and a CH-47C, were stripped-down to their basic airframes and then rebuilt with improved systems to provide three CH-47D prototypes. Improvements included upgraded power plants, rotor transmissions, integral lubrication and cooling for the transmission systems, and fiberglass rotor blades. Other improvements included a redesigned cockpit to reduce pilot workload, redundant and improved electrical systems, modularized hydraulic systems, an advanced flight control system, and improved avionics. The Chinook has two tandem three-bladed counter-rotating fiberglass rotors. The CH-47D is powered by two Allied Signal Engines T55-L-712 3750 shp turboshaft engines and has a maximum speed of 195 mph (170 knots).
At least 12 of These Bell (model 205A-1) UH-1H or Today's Equivalent
Let the UH-1's stay at the air port with the flight crews to be ready after the storm passes
The above could have been forward deployed at the New Orleans Int. airport in 19 to 20 hours with no problems. This is not rocket science. FEMA was to be the lead organization i.e. giving orders to the military. When there is an emergency like Katrina you can not trust life and death decision making to UN-QUALIFIED political hacks. The JCS should have been the lead organization. |
Are we going to roll the dice again in 06
will they or won't they ?
Levee Fixes Falling Short, Experts Warn
Corps Rejects Claim Of Substandard Soil By Joby WarrickWashington Post Staff Writer_Monday, March 6, 2006; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/05 /AR2006030500976.html?nav=rss_nation
NEW ORLEANS -- The Army Corps of Engineers seems likely to fulfill a promise by President Bush to rebuild New Orleans's toppled flood walls to their original, pre-Katrina height by June 1, but two teams of independent experts monitoring the $1.6 billion reconstruction project say large sections of the rebuilt levee system will be substantially weaker than before the hurricane hit.
Levee Rebuilding: Ready or Not?
These experts say the Corps, racing to rebuild 169 miles of levees destroyed or damaged by Katrina, is taking shortcuts to compress what is usually a years-long construction process into a few weeks. They say that weak, substandard materials are being used in some levee walls, citing lab tests as evidence. And they say the Corps is deferring repairs to flood walls that survived Katrina but suffered structural damage that could cause them to topple in a future storm.
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Who appointed you the official womb inspector the director of another persons body the lord of the womb. |
| Do cited facts give you problems ? Problems tripping over the truth in your dark place. the charts are cited is the BLS a left wing commie org? The CBO another commie pinko fag org? Is it true SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS hate children ? UNICEF I heard Feed The Children is rising an army to attack the U. S.. Does that fit the mold in your dark place?
Can you dispute and cite a fact.
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| That is easy the F.O.G. ( FRIENDS OF GEORGE ) and the The F.O.G. Elite do bad things to the George Walker Bush Administration every day Negligent Homicide Perjury, Bribes, Pay for Play K Street Project every day !!!
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;"But you miss the point entirely (probably purposely). It really doesn't matter whether the Federal Govt had dedicated the entire US Treasury to the issue, the levees' would not have been ready in time to have dealt with Katrina. That work would have had to have been started 20 years ago. So, it's not clear how GWB is to blame for this particular issue. Much more blame for this situation should go to the State and Local govt who squandered millions of dollars over years while paying lip service to the condition of the levees. Having been a former resident of LA (with first hand experience regarding the level of political corruption), I can't help but wonder how much of that appropriated money went into the coffers of the demoncrat politicians who run the state. "
Very good !!! You blame the victims!!!!
Most people who are sentient understand that maintenance is an on going process . This process needs $ DOLLARS $ and BUSH made sure SELA was starved of $ DOLLARS $ after being warned of the importance of the SELA project (a cat 4 direct hit on New Orleans was one of the " big ones " Osama attacks , mag 8 earth quake in C.A. ). They were right but instead of Osama attacking BUSH attacked SELA in order to " clean out the lower 9 TH ward ". |
| Interesting how SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS fold when presented with facts of wrong doing ( Negligent Homicide (1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7) BUSH's neglect of SELA ) to finance Boondoggle tax cuts for the rich and tax increases for the poorest workers in AMERICA
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
The answer is simple there is no defense for dereliction of duty running the pay for play K Street Project out of the White House and playing golf as thousands suffered and died in New Orleans their only crime was they were poor. It is obvious that the George Walker Bush Administration is as corrupt as any Mafia family Negligent Homicide for PORK $ DOLLARS $.
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| "Incidentally the SELA project even if completed in time may not have prevented Katrina's damage and most certainly will not be effective against Category 4 and 5 hurricanes. Storm surges in these categories will probably overwhelm the levees' capacity. "
Topping of the levees was a concern but that would have dumped only few 10's of acre feet of water in New Orleans a real mess but the pumping stations would have had a chance to handle that amount of water. When the levees breached lake Pontcetrain emptied into NO the level of the lake is above the city. Pontcetrain continued to dump water into NO for days.
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| If the levees had been maintained ( sections had sunk 4 feet into the bog, some flood walls had windows , others were skewed not straight in a line ). With the George Walker Bush's continuous budget cuts what could the people do ? a few levee districts tried to raise taxes to fund repairs but they could not raise the money to fix the system just make small repairs.
Remember Tillman the soldier who was shot in Afghanistan ? The Army is still investigating his death why is it the 1300 DEAD and over 2000 missing in New Orleans are less important ??? |
You are trying to justify rape ??? |
Are the SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS going to bring back " chastity belts " and the " stocks ", along with the " scarlet letter" .
If It's Not Your
WOMB
It Is Not Your Business
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Sen. Clinton understands SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS … She is right the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance is in the beginning stages of " staffing " the plantations of SD with sub minimum wage workers. |
| Is the SD governor ready to do his part to help change this
CHILD POVERTY
Data from IDEAS at repec@repec.org
Full report at http://www.unicef-icdc.org/publications/pdf/repcard6e.pdf
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| WOW are the SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS in SD willing to fund the their " un-funded mandate " being dumped on the SD citizenry ???
Is there a plan afoot to code into state law the a child's right to unlimited state support as a last resort ? Or is it business as usual let the poor pay with their suffering. |
Re:28536.1099
Have you figured out how to justify Negligent Homicide ? Face the fact that George Walker Bush's neglect (1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7) of the SELA project doomed thousands to horrific deaths and hundreds of thousands to homelessness and needless suffering.
The insatiable greed of the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance has sent 1300 to their death and left over 2000 missing. This will be the legacy of the George Walker Bush Administration. |
If It Is Not WOMB It is Not Your Business !
The typical SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS want to create un-funded liabilities and let others pay for them ( Usually the poor ). To this day I have yet to see one SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS step up and state a willingness to do some thing about CHILD POVERTY IN THE U. S. .
Data from IDEAS at repec@repec.org
Full report at http://www.unicef-icdc.org/publications/pdf/repcard6e.pdf
Then the SADISTIC NE-CON EVANGELICAL ACTIVISTS will have a credible platform to stand on.
Put your $ DOLLARS $ where your mouth is !!
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| IF you want to balance the budget REVERSE the 2001 Tax Cut (1) . The CBO has projected that the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance Boondoggle rip off is nothing more than a tax increase for the middle class and the poor.
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES |
| You said "SHE IS UNBEATABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
IF Mrs. Rice runs on the current RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance platform she is dead , DIW !
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IF this "out come " becomes reality a solution can be found here SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION Trust fixes.. There is no need for multi TRILLION dollar Boondoggles. As is usually the case to simply pay for the projected short fall is the cheapest.
( $4 TRILLION ).
This is the new RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance !
If you think things are bad now READ AARP DESTRUCTION and see what the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance has in store for us.
The minimum wage frozen at $5.15 / hr and every body else's wages going up
Take a look at the other side " MANAGEMENT "
Looks to me like the 2001 Tax Cut (1) is doing it's job assuring that the right people get wealthier and in 2014 the tax tables will be aligned to aid in the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance's struggle.
There is no war just human suffering at the hands of the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance.
Data from IDEAS at repec@repec.org
Full report at http://www.unicef-icdc.org/publications/pdf/repcard6e.pdf
Yes one other thinks the Katrina response was rather STUPID . Gen Wesley ClarkRet.. Gen. Clark wonders if any of George Walker Bush's un-qualified cronies had the bright idea of asking the J.C.S. ( Joint Chiefs of Staff ) to take the point in the Katrina response ( let some one who is skilled in moving thousands of people and tons of support equipment in a moments notice). If some one had asked they could have done the job they are trained for.
BOONDOGGLE
George Walker Bush began cutting SELA funding in 2001 to help finance his 2001 Tax Cut (1) . SELA funding was cut every year since . There was no maintenance of the levee system. This levee system could not hold back high tide ( water flowed through the levee ) streets were flooded. This is a result of George Walker Bush administration neglect , (1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)
CHAPTER 34 - NATIONAL EMERGENCIES
When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.
Here you can find " EO's " listed for your reading enjoyment.
If George Walker Bush had listened to the folks from LSU and Times Piceune Scientific American and repaired and maintained the levee system things would have been different in New Orleans
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So was I .
George Walker Bush's neglect of the New Orleans levee system began in 2001. The phony tax cut was the premise for a host of cuts made to a all ready passed budget by the Clinton Administration ( via a special bill passed by congress called the " ? write offs bill " I found a reference to " flood control projects but I could not find the direct mention of the SELA project. Don't you remember ???? Poor George Walker Bush running from the governors conference to the mayors conference to sell his Boondoggle tax cut plan. The neglect of the SELA program began here the 2001 Tax Cut (1) . Negligent Homicide is Negligent Homicide (2) (3)(4)(5)(6)(7)().
1300 DEAD over 2000 missing and to this day over 265,000 still homeless.
This is all George Walker Bush had to do nothing more .
CHAPTER 34 - NATIONAL EMERGENCIES
When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.
Here you can find " EO's " listed for your reading enjoyment.
Right and George Walker Bush started the failure with his 2001 Tax Cut (1)
All to give the The F.O.G. Elite a growing tax break Negligent Homicide is Negligent Homicide . Over 1300 DEAD over 2300 missing for a few $ DOLLARS $ more for the The F.O.G. Elite .
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| Yes I heard about that seams very logical to me . If they claim you did something illegal why not try to prove that your actions were legal? And negate the premise for the charge in totum. |
| George Walker Bush's problem there is the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance that dictates policy. This people are inflexible ideologists lock into a self destructive fantasy of easy wealth accretion for the rich and enforced poverty for all others. This ideology works in a feudal society but in a capitalist state it will result in the failure of the entire economy. |
I was loaded with the strife and suffering of thousands and I shall never forget. Thank you George Walker Bush ,Negligent Homicide is Negligent Homicide ! |
| Still working hard to cover for a Murder wow do you work hard at making up thing to try to obfuscate facts distort reality and deceive folks. But it all boils down to what was said and what was done nothing else matters. Negligent Homicide is Negligent Homicide no mater what the excuse.
Blanco and Nagin listened to George Walker Bush and the people of New Orleans paid the price. The price paid over 1300 dead , Over 2,000 missing 500,000 homeless and nearly $100 BILLION wasted |
| How many excuses can a rational man make for a murder ??? How can 4 years of warnings from the likes of LSU, NOLA, Scientific American, Time-Picayune and the residents who watch their backyards flood at high tide be explained away ? Negligent Homicide is Negligent Homicide no matter what the excuse. At least Sadam can stand by his decisions. |
| If one looks at Sadam and George Walker Bush they both have one thing in common is a culture of corruption that is deeply integrated with their administrations. |
Blanco and Nagin listened to George Walker Bush and the people of New Orleans paid the price.The price paid over 1300 dead , Over 2,000 missing 500,000 homeless and nearly $100 BILLION wasted |
| If any one wants a complete list of downloadable transcripts of presidential briefings from the 25th to the 31 st , just move down the page on the right side. Files are in the .pdf format.
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| Do you really think George Walker Bush would stand like a man and face up to the results of his actions and be willing to be judged by the world ?? I think not. Such actions are not in George Walker Bush's character, or lack there of.
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| Check out both these links one is list of transcripts of presidential briefings from the 25th to the 31 st , just move down the page on the right side. Files are in the .pdf format.
And there is a better video presentation here at the Post. This is unbelievable ! washingtonpost.com has a very good video presentation |
| There is a list of transcripts of presidential briefings from the 25th to the 31 st , just move down the page on the right side. Files are in the .pdf format.
And there is a better video presentation here at the Post. washingtonpost.com has a very good video presentation |
George Walker Bush Busted in Another LIE!!
Video Shows Bush Warned Before Katrina Hit
By MARGARET EBRAHIM and JOHN SOLOMON _Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON (AP) -- On the eve of Hurricane Katrina's fateful landfall, President Bush was confident. His homeland security chief appeared relaxed. And warnings of the coming destruction - breached or overrun levees, deaths at the New Orleans Superdome and overwhelming needs for post-storm rescues - were delivered in dramatic terms to all involved. All of it was captured on videotape.
The Associated Press obtained the confidential government video and made it public Wednesday, offering Americans their own inside glimpse into the government's fateful final Katrina preparations after months of fingerpointing and political recriminations.
"My gut tells me ... this is a bad one and a big one," then-federal disaster chief Michael Brown told the final government-wide briefing the day before Katrina struck the Gulf Coast on Aug. 29 |
Of course George Walker Bush knew about the problems in New Orleans. Katrina was the storm that George Walker Bush Delay's House Conference of scandal and Dinnis Hastert were waiting for to rid L,A. of the Democrats (1)(2)(3)(4)(5) |
| Check the ABC news report about the Tela-conference briefing given to BUSH. George Walker Bush knew(1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7) and he did nothing waiting to force the poor out of New Orleans(8)(9)(10)(11)(12) |
| Have you looked at ABC news yesterday and seen the FEMA teleconference ?? Did yo note the fact that George Walker Bush was told that the Levees may be topped by Katrina. Have you read any factual articles about how many times BUSH was warned ? try these(1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)
George Walker Bush has committed a felony Negligent Homicide
Today is the last day for hotel vouchers and FEMA is disappearing the the POOR refugees from New Orleans. Some of the people in C.A. ( LA) the people that don't fit into FEMA's help program are being forced out on the street to vanish. So goes the POOR Removal from New Orleans(8)(9)(10)(11)(12) |
"If the King's purpose be not true may all those severed heads arms an legs rise up and say " WE DIED AT SUCH A PLACE" "
This is what is happening in Iraq. This was a " Slam Dunk war ". The Iraq army was ready for a change from "Sadam" . BUSH's problems started when he could not see that the Iraqi army could have been his best friend in controlling post war Iraq. George Walker Bush waited until his friends were on the pay roll. Wrong .
If the Iraqi people can spot anything they can spot "Bachshish ". When the signs and people of Halliburton, Bectell Int. and others showed up and the Iraqi army was still on the street with no jobs BUSH's failure was secured and the good faith of the Iraqi people went out the window. BUSH showed he did not care about the Iraqi people and he was no different from Sadam. Sadam's form of corruption is not that much different from BUSH's . All the SPIN Karl Rove and the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance can muster will change what every body knows in Iraq.
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BUSH said: ``The U.S. doesn't cut and run,'' Bush said. ``We keep our commitments.''
I could not make out what BUSH said in the very next sentence he was mumbling and stammering so bad I could barely follow his speech. |
| George Walker Bush would never willing admit to the Negligent Homicide that created the Katrina death toll. The 2001 Tax Cut (1) was a application of the RNC / Cato/Heritage Alliance's vile policy of enrich the rich and make the POOR pay for it.
Only a man would stand by and die by his decisions. |
| Oh that is what he said the audio on my tv sounded muddled for that second ?? I couldn't understand what he said. Looks like every body is right George Walker Bush was in on a lie BUSH just admitted it !!!!
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Karl Rove , Cato/Heritage and Grover Norquist must be flipping.
The ultimate Freudian BUSH
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Wow that’s a great one!!
Do you have a cite on that one sounds like BUSH is in great form!!! |
Talking about George Walker Bush's lies and distortions is the most patriotic thing one can do!! |
| If you can't understand the dereliction of duties committed by George Walker Bush look at one, Katrina . This afternoon on the ABC evening news I saw film clip of a teleconference between George Walker Bush and the National Weather Service . The briefer stated that the New Orleans levees would be toped if New Orleans sustained a direct hit from Katrina. This is a fact.
George Walker Bush was first informed of the massive scale of a cat 4 hurricane hit on New Orleans in his first STA ( Strategic Threat Assessment ) briefing by FEMA in Jan 2001 when he took office. George Walker Bush choose to ignore this warning when he decided to cut SELA funding to pay for his 2001 tax increase for the POOR
The RNC's 2001 Tax Increase for The Poor
Individual tax liability
The minimum wage is stuck at $5.15/hr. The minimum wage earner has lost $48.40 per week in buying power since 1997. The RNC is raising their TAXES
This tax increase for the poor joined with a tax break for the wealthy was partially financed by those who died in Katrina. (1) (2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)
Does that not constitute a lie ? ( click a number and read ) |